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Saturday, April 18, 2009

Conversation with a non-lberal 

I recently had a fascinating Facebook conversation with a friend of a friend, David, seemingly aligned with Republican Ron Paul.

I'm rather sympathetic to Paulites as they seem to want the best for everybody, but their commendable idealism is mired in the fact that there's a lot more natural born assholes in the would than they admit. We need a government to regulate these people before they destroy the banking system again.

My friend's freind may take issue with being introduced as anything other than "Pro Liberty," so I'll repost without further comment our exchange on Facebook. I'm in blue, he's in red.

There are lots of people at these rallies today protesting the bailout. Which did bailout large corporations ... Fox news is not the pro liberty movement.

So David, teabaggers like you strategically waited half a year after TARP became law to protest it? Tee hee!

Half a year? These types of protest have been occurring for a year or more. Ah David, why don't you explain to me why Obama is expanding the war in the Middle East, expanding the government's ability to use wiretaps on American citizens, why Obama supported H.R.1955 and why Obama pretended this collapse was a surprise and the bailout bill needed to passed ... this is about your love for the man Obama and his manufactured mythology.

Hardly, David. I'm only a fan of Obama as far as his presidency is a reasonable stepping stone on the way to Sharia law. A salaam alaykum.

Here is a video showing a CNN reporter skipping over folks at one Tea Party, holding "Republicans Suck! End the Fed" signs so she could spew the "these events are anti-Obama" nonsense. It's all right here. Watch what happens after her camera shuts off. Lets call a truce and work together http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2tg8gxCDU

A "truce"? I don't see anybody fighting other than a few thousand loony right wingers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno

Of course you do, because that's what CNN told you to think/see :) I think we all get that now. Those damn cell phone cameras!

Sorry, no TV. I formed my impression from flickr. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=72248&id=676374106&ref=mf Is flickr in on the conspiracy to cover up the troof? Clearly, there were few teabaggers other than low intelligence, conspiracy minded and uninformed right wingers. I don't think I understand what you're saying the troof is.

I suggest you use a better research tool. Flickr doesn't cut it. Lets hear about those conspiracies. Federal Reserve being a private bank? Global currency? New World Order? H.R. 1955? Expanding war in the Middle East? New operations in Africa? Bailout money saving bankers? Hundreds of expert economists predicting this collapse and disagreeing with Obama on the solution? Which one? I suggest you research these before you comment. I wouldn't start with flickr or CNN.

or you could just accept Americans are angry ... To think you can place millions of Americans who started feeling this way under Bush in a little "anti-obama" box is silly. This is much, much bigger than Obama, Democrats or Republicans.

I believe if you review, you're the one claim I'm saying the protests were primarily anti-Obama. I'm stating the obvious: the majority of participants were carrying signs saying some variation of "I'm so stupid, I'm out here protesting my tax cut," or "the USSR still scares me." Most of the rest were equally split between "stop deficit spending," "democrats suck," "government sucks", "God and the Constitution are awesome!" or "Obama is a Muslim from Cuba." You seem to be casting your lot of grievances into a pool with these people and in turn feeling like I'm dismissing your grievances as loony conspiracy theories. You only list two or so loony conspiracy theories!

Sorry Erik, you are wrong. You are protecting the image of a man. Obama. You have cast aside reality. You can't address the issues I posted. Either you don't understand them or they tarnish the image of Obama. There are millions of Americans who don't care about Obama or Bush, they care about their families and their freedom. This movement, made up... Read More of all parties, started years ago. This is easy to verify. You obviously have been afraid to do that. If you think, the democratic party can contain the growing rage in this country, you are mistaken. For that rage is growing in democrats also.Good luck, Erik. As the wars expand, the bailouts continue, the Federal Reserve operates without any oversight and our taxes rise, you will see the hostility grow. You can sit back and make fun of the crazy "right wingers" all you want. That will still be delusional. I predict, in the next six months, you, Erik, will feel this rage. Then you will understand, it never had anything to do with Obama.

Uh, I'm not talking about Obama, you are. The tea parties are hardy a sign of anything new or growing - if you want to show me how these freaks afraid of the USSR, taunting the ATF to grab their military weapons or protesting their tax cuts are somehow enlightened, are something new have at it. If you want to talk about your own hot button issues, maybe another thread or by email would be appropriate.

You're not making much sense, Erik. Over two hundred and fifty thousand people protested yesterday. The majority were NOT right wing. Angry at some of Obama's policies, yes. That doesn't make them "crazy" or "freaks". That sounds like Bush era talk. How ironic. It seems you have to believe "we" are fanatics, gun lovers, etc. How absurd. Lets talk in six months, Erik. I'll be curious to see how you feel.

I've no response to your litany of issues because they're only tangentially related to the topic, which is that yesterday a bunch of lunatic numskulls protested against their own tax cuts and for the rich getting richer, bringing along to them their pet right wing issues, be they anti-immigrant, pro-God n guns, anti-USSR ... that you brought your own set of issues, reasonable as some may be, speaks nothing to the idiocy of the protest in general.

Erik, I think you're missing the big picture. Who do you think pays for the expanding war in the Middle East and Africa? Over a billion dollars a month. We do, Erik. Our taxes. How about the bailouts? A historic amount of money that was borrowed by the US government and given to private banks. Who will pay that back? We will and our children. See, ... Read Morethis is reality, Erik. Your fantasy of this pro liberty movement being a bunch of red necks in the back of a pick up, is just that, a fantasy. Where do you think Obama will get the money to create national health care? America is bankrupt.Yet, we continue to spread our empire across the globe. Stop cowering behind a mythological figure and challenge your candidate. Stop sitting on the sidelines heckling the individuals that aren't enamored by his party or color.The Obama administration is supporting and creating real policies. All the "pet issues" I listed for you are REAL. Do something. Oh and Erik, answer me this. Are we in the Middle East fighting "terrorists" or securing natural resources and pipelines?

David, there were a sizable number of people complaining about the bailouts, but not as many as were there to protest any and all taxes. That's a fact. Anyway, I'm simply not gong to engage you on all these non-related questions/challenges here. I'll send a friend request and t can happen elsewhere.

"any and all taxes"? again, that is not accurate. Erik, you will NEVER have the funding for the social programs you want if the Obama administration continues to expand the wars in the Middle East and now Africa. America is already bankrupt now. I guess we will just have wait a few months, Erik. This will become clearer. You keep being a Patriot and pay those taxes. Lets just end with you not answering my questions. I get it.

National Tax Day Tea Parties
Source: www.youtube.com
Thom confronts Andrew Langer of the Institute for Liberty about the anti-Obama conservative protests www.instituteforliberty.org Check out www.thomhartmann.com.

5:23 is exactly why you have individuals from all parties coming to these tea parties. To cherry pick some nuts that showed up is silly and the CNN video proved what the media was up to. Hartman knows these tea parties started years ago, lead by Libertarians and Independents. They are trying to divide the American population and it's a shame. Does anyone else notice how quiet the Democrats have become on the expanding wars? Do they consider how much money these wars cost? Is this where they want their tax money to go? Or are they going to defend policies they would have protested under Bush?

A "truce"? I don't see anybody fighting other than a few thousand loony right wingers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno.

Of course you do[n't], because that's what CNN told you to think/see :) I think we all get that now. Those damn cell phone cameras!

Sorry, no TV. I formed my impression from flickr. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=72248&id=676374106&ref=mf Is flickr in on the conspiracy to cover up the troof? Clearly, there were few teabaggers other than low intelligence, conspiracy minded and uninformed right wingers. I don't think I understand what you're saying the troof is.

I suggest you use a better research tool. Flickr doesn't cut it. Lets hear about those conspiracies. Federal Reserve being a private bank? Global currency? New World Order? H.R. 1955? Expanding war in the Middle East? New operations in Africa? Bailout money saving bankers? Hundreds of expert economists predicting this collapse and disagreeing with Obama on the solution? Which one? I suggest you research these before you comment. I wouldn't start with flickr or CNN.

Or you could just accept Americans are angry. Angry because their money is paying for a perpetual war. Angry because a central bank created a flawed monetary system, which started this collapse and now they get to create another one that still serves "them" and we paid for it. To think you can place millions of Americans who started feeling this ... Read Moreway under Bush in a little "anti-obama" box is silly. This is much, much bigger than Obama, Democrats or Republicans.

I believe if you review, you're the one claim I'm saying the protests were primarily anti-Obama. I'm stating the obvious: the majority of participants were carrying signs saying some variation of "I'm so stupid, I'm out here protesting my tax cut," or "the USSR still scares me." Most of the rest were equally split between "stop deficit spending," "... Read Moredemocrats suck," "government sucks", "God and the Constitution are awesome!" or "Obama is a Muslim from Cuba." You seem to be casting your lot of grievances into a pool with these people and in turn feeling like I'm dismissing your grievances as loony conspiracy theories. You only list two or so loony conspiracy theories!

Sorry Erik, you are wrong. You are protecting the image of a man. Obama. You have cast aside reality. You can't address the issues I posted. Either you don't understand them or they tarnish the image of Obama.

There are millions of Americans who don't care about Obama or Bush, they care about their families and their freedom. This movement, made up of all parties, started years ago. This is easy to verify. You obviously have been afraid to do that. If you think, the democratic party can contain the growing rage in this country, you are mistaken. For that rage is growing in democrats also. Good luck, Erik. As the wars expand, the bailouts continue, the Federal Reserve operates without any oversight and our taxes rise, you will see the hostility grow. You can sit back and make fun of the crazy "right wingers" all you want. That will still be delusional. I predict, in the next six months, you, Erik, will feel this rage. Then you will understand, it never had anything to do with Obama.

Uh, I'm not talking about Obama, you are. The tea parties are hardy a sign of anything new or growing - if you want to show me how these freaks afraid of the USSR, taunting the ATF to grab their military weapons or protesting their tax cuts are somehow enlightened, have at it. If you want to talk about your own hot button issues, maybe another thread or by email would be appropriate.

You're not making much sense, Erik. Over two hundred and fifty thousand people protested yesterday. The majority were NOT right wing. Angry at some of Obama's policies, yes. That doesn't make them "crazy" or "freaks". That sounds like Bush era talk. How ironic. It seems you have to believe "we" are fanatics, gun lovers, etc. How absurd. Lets talk in six months, Erik. I'll be curious to see how you feel. Oh and I noticed you had no response to the very real issues I listed. I find that interesting. Fantasy is such a fickle medium. When reality enters, poof, it disappears.

I've no response to your litany of issues because they're only tangentially related to the topic, which is that yesterday a bunch of lunatic numskulls protested against their own tax cuts and for the rich getting richer, bringing along to them their pet right wing issues, be they anti-immigrant, pro-God n guns, anti-USSR ... that you brought your own set of issues, reasonable as some may be, speaks nothing to the idiocy of the protest in general.

Erik, I think you're missing the big picture. Who do you think pays for the expanding war in the Middle East and Africa? Over a billion dollars a month. We do, Erik. Our taxes. How about the bailouts? A historic amount of money that was borrowed by the US government and given to private banks. Who will pay that back? We will and our children. See, this is reality, Erik. Your fantasy of this pro liberty movement being a bunch of red necks in the back of a pick up, is just that, a fantasy. Where do you think Obama will get the money ... Stop cowering behind a mythological figure and challenge your candidate. Stop sitting on the sidelines heckling the individuals that aren't enamored by his party or color.

David, there were a sizable number of people complaining about the bailouts, but not as many as were there to protest any and all taxes. That's a fact. Anyway, I'm simply not gong to engage you on all these non-related questions/challenges here. I'll send a friend request and t can happen elsewhere.

"any and all taxes"? again, that is not accurate. Erik, you will NEVER have the funding for the social programs you want if the Obama administration continues to expand the wars in the Middle East and now Africa. America is already bankrupt. The government needs every tax dollar it gets and then some, just to keep it's bloated bureaucracy afloat now. I guess we will just have wait a few months, Erik. This will become clearer. You keep being a Patriot and pay those taxes. I'm sure the women and children in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan appreciate the bombs and bullets you help purchase and create. There is nothing to debate, Erik. Lets just end with you not answering my questions. I get it.

National Tax Day Tea Parties

... To cherry pick some nuts that showed up is silly and the CNN video proved what the media was up to. Hartman knows these tea parties started years ago, lead by Libertarians and Independents ...

David, you just accused someone of "cherry picking" in the same sentence you claim one video segment "proves" what every news outlet was up to. I commend your lack of self awareness, it's very charming!

I'm glad you think it's charming. Of course, you still haven't answered my questions. Again, in six months, Erik, as the collapse worsens, Pakistan falls into chaos, unemployment hits historic numbers, the bailouts fail and taxes begin to rise, lets talk. I'd like to see how far the arrogance of the liberals has taken them. How many Americans the Democrats have attracted to their party. You and your party are making a monumental mistake. I am not "right wing" and I have been to rallies with thousands of people and the majority were not "right wing". The pro Liberty movement is real and it will explode in this environment. Good Luck and let me know when you think Obama should stop expanding the bloodshed/wars in the Middle East and Africa. I'd like to know when a liberal Democrat has had enough.

Why would we need to talk about current events in six months when today you can both see the future and know my opinion on everything before I give it? Is it some sort of Jedi mind trick? Tell me now, because if I find out later, I'm going to be real pissed.

Conservative Republican Congressman being Booed at Tea Party in Greenville. This is not about Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QsY2r7HbTM

David, Paulites are the same phenomenon as extreme right wngers- they are few in number but very loud and never let facts get in the way of their ideology. Per example, you were so excited to find an instance of a Republican being booed at a tea party, you hurried to post it here before googling. The reason the winger Republicans were booing was because unlike 99% of his Republican colleagues ... (drumroll) ... http://www.palmettoscoop.com/2009/04/07/obamas-stimulus-gets-new-champion-in-barrett/

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